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July 07, 2004

Spence: Black Ops

A great article not to be missed is this by Lester Spence.

What would happen if Kerry did more than name a couple of high-level African Americans to his staff? I think he would find that these operatives would have an insight into various sorts of communities that could be helpful to know. He would probably find out, for example, that you could find politically minded black men and women outside of church. I remember when Howard Dean was running for office, and the only time you would see him talking to black people, or talking about black people, was when he was in a church somewhere. Black churches are second homes to a significant number of black men and women, but they are not and have never been the home to all black people. And it is more than a little bit insulting (racist even) to assume that all black people are god-fearing, praise-and-worship folk with nothing but Jesus on their minds.

Exactly. And you know I think that counts double for Republicans. It's why I'm in the GOP.

UPDATE: S-Train says EXACTLY what I'm thinking about church.

Posted by mbowen at July 7, 2004 08:49 PM

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If Blacks Democrats listen to Al Sharpton about one thing, they should listen to Sharpton about their party.

And Black Republicans should be demanding that white Republicans clean up the mess that white Republicans made.

Then things would happen.

Posted by: DarkStar at July 7, 2004 09:03 PM

I can't speak for the Dems, but that's what's happening here in black Republican LA.

Posted by: cobb at July 7, 2004 09:48 PM

In the end, I wonder how much of this would be solved just by telling folks about the George Washington School of Political Management? I sent one of my students there this year, and I'm willing to bet that not only is the school lilly-white, but that over the last ten years the number of black applicants has been in the single digits.

Posted by: Lester Spence at July 8, 2004 12:12 AM

but that's what's happening here in black Republican LA.

Can you provide URLs for this? I'd like to see it.

Posted by: DarkStar at July 8, 2004 05:51 AM

All I can do is tell you about the California College of Republicans of which I am a member. That there are a number of black officers in this grass roots Republican club that are in constant contact with the party, and that I get my information about the party from them. I wrote here about the last meeting I attended where I met people from the Bush campaign and related their attitude.

So what I'm saying is that my recent personal experience with white leadership in the California GOP is a kind of 'can I touch your hair, where have you been all my life' kind of attitude. What we and they are looking for are ways to get significant black candidates and appointments. Right now, the biggest problem seems to be, where can we find intelligent, sensible blackfolks who have the time.

Somebody could pick up the phone today and say Michael, I want to appoint you to this whatever office in Arnold's staff - and I'd have to say no, I don't have time to take off from running my business to do so. Well do you know any other blackfolks who could do this. Yes I do, but they have 9-5s and families too. Well do you know any independently wealthy black men or women who are conservative who might do this - yeah ward connerly.

On the other hand, there were several middle aged and older black women in the room who work part time and had years of experience with non-profits who were down to contribute even though there's no way they would be charismatic candidates or particularly strong political appointees. There were feisty old black men too, one of whom had run for several offices but never won. So the way I see it is that we have a supply problem, not so much a demand problem.

Posted by: cobb at July 8, 2004 07:40 AM

Cobb, you are exactly right. I am sitting on my ass (by the way, it was I who wrote the article not S-Train but he shares my views). And I'm done sitting on my ass about both parties. I'm motivated now. And I know words are just words until action BUT I now have to do something, since my disgust level has risen way to high for me to function. I got to channel this into "something positive".

I see what you black Republicans are doing in L.A. and I admire your drive to change the Republican Party. Now I have to do something also cause sitting on my ass is useless.

Posted by: T-Steel at July 8, 2004 01:53 PM

Sorry about the misattribution. I browsed it and saw "Top Billin': Cobb" and took that to be an S-Trainism. But I really do feel that anger about the churh meetings. In fact, this goes way back with me to the Ed Rollins incident in New Jersey way back when.

Posted by: Cobb at July 8, 2004 02:10 PM

So here's what I posted to S-train's comments:

OK so Edwards is my homeboy and yes he came to my black church before all of this happened...but excuse me, that doesn't mean we "swoon" and follow him blindly because of his purtty smile, nice hair and small town boy stories. We know the two Johns are basically 2 very rich white guys--same ole, same ole. Give some of us in the black church some credit.

Posted by: Sandra at July 9, 2004 08:01 AM

No disrepect Sandra, but I've got to be blunt about this idea. Congregations are not deliberative bodies.

I'm going to take this idea to the top. Look for Nacho Cheese.

Posted by: Cobb at July 9, 2004 12:11 PM