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September 30, 2004

Fishbone, Monk & Mingus

Back in the day, while I was still Talented Tenth but not yet through the more radical phases of Black Mental Liberation, I used to wonder what kind of white man I would resemble. In every black man's vocab is found 'cool white boy', although these days on XBox Live I more often hear 'white niggas'. Be that as it may, at one point or another I believe all of us think about trading skins.

This is different from trading places, it's just the whole what would I look like if I was white and still the same person. Naturally, one would be a 'cool white boy'. So after some time engaging in this fantasy I finally figured out the type I would want to look like, if I had the reverse Watermelon Man power. It turned out to be Eddie Rabbit. I thought about this yesterday upon seeing a picture of Sir Richard Branson because he has that same kind of look, at least to me. The other person who has it is Chuck Norris. Redford has it now but he had always been just too pretty. So there you have it. I would have a kind of redheaded, blue-eyed weatherbeaten cowboy look and very likely to be wearing facial hair.

Since I haven't thought about this for a long time, over 20 years in fact, it surprised me when I went to the Charlie Hunter & Bad Plus concert to see how the fashion has changed from the 1980 version of Eddie Rabbit. See the house was packed, but there were only 3 black heads in the room - one of them Hunter's drummer. The rest of the young hipsters have a look I now know but not well enough to describe in their own argot. Yet it reminded me of how I often felt way back in the day at Fishbone concerts.

Fishbone is the black rock & roll band. If you don't know who they are, I would say that your understanding of modern rock is severely crippled, especially if you think the Red Hot Chili Peppers have any talent. Fishbone and the Peppers were the hottest bands in LA back in '84. Both have lasted to this day, one in the sun of popularity the other in shadow. If Fishbone has a flaw it is that they never had a song that girls would like to dance to. Or put another way, back in the days when there was Wendy O Williams and everybody else, there weren't many chicks who'd accompany you to the mosh at a Fishbone concert. A black girl? Perish the thought. There were maybe 5 out of 3000, three were with the band, one didn't know where she was and I married the fifth.

Where is Fishbone today? I have no idea. Fish was one of the greatest rock drummers ever. But the point is that they were out there in territory that aint mainstream, nor even mainstream black.

To the extent that one's identity comes from this modern sense of affiliation and fan loyalty, not to mention inspiration, it has always been somewhat disconcerting to me that we black rockers were dipped in the buttermilk. It wasn't that we minded our company, but that we were alienated from our homes and homeboys. Then again, isn't that what much music is all about? Fishbone was all about too much energy for cool. They weren't smooth. They were happy rage.

Being a part of the Fishbone world put me on the edge, if not the outs with the Talented Tenth. And my love for them, as well as for the angular crankiness of Monk and Mingus is part of the reasons I consider myself on the progressive edge of the previously proud group formerly known as the Talented Tenth.

Pops is about to put together a seminar on Monk and Mingus. So he asked me to whip him up a DVD full of mp3s. I have just shy of seven hours of recordings. I also have the 'Straight No Chaser' video, and I swear it's still a marvel to watch Monk play 'Just a Gigolo' solo.

If alienation and rebellion are part and parcel of brilliance, then it means a great deal for the individual. And yet what is a concert but a gathering of individuals who are different from the world in the same way? One cannot help but look around to see who else shares the love. We can all buy the same T-shirt, but then we spread out and disappear into the interstices of modern life.

No conclusion...

Posted by mbowen at September 30, 2004 08:20 AM

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Ahhh . . . Monk. I love his music, and when I had that cassette tape player I would play the tapes over and over again. I must check around on the iTunes store and see if there's any of his classics there . . . .

Posted by: Lola at September 30, 2004 10:54 AM

FISHBOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE! I always thought they were victims of the "punk-rock-funk-ska where do we play these guys?" industry mentality. But man were they solid. Haven't kept up with them of late, but my brother and I caught them at a local music festival in '96 or '97 (phenomenal fest that included Fishbone, George Clinton, Dave Mathews, Alman Bros, Shawn Colvin and capped off by Van Morrison!) and they were still banging.

The whole topic of Black Rock could be a blog unto itself. I'm not an historian, but early rock (that had a firm basis in the blues) was pretty well represented by black artists (Chuck Berry, Little Richard, all those doo-wopers), but as it grew beyond the niche into mainstream the blacks seemed to either migrate or be pushed off into soul or R&B. With a few notable exceptions, though, (Jimi Hendrix, Living Color, Fishbone, 24/7 Spyz, Lenny Kravitz) the black presence in straight ahead rock & roll for the last 30 years has been comparatively minor. An interesting side effect of the concentration of blacks in the soul and R&B genre, though, is the predominance of black influence on most popular music today.

Posted by: submandave at September 30, 2004 12:34 PM

Love fishbone ever since "Party at Ground Zero" I have the 12" of that.

If you want to see something mad. Rent "Back to the Beach" with Annet Funacello, they Appear in there as a beach band.

I also have had a soft spot for ICE-T rock band Body Count. They had a great show.

And of course I love all SKA

Posted by: Scott at September 30, 2004 01:33 PM

Interesting site, man. glad I stumbled accross it. i''l be back to read more. keep up the work!

Posted by: LumaNatic at September 30, 2004 04:16 PM

Ah, Fishbone.... Now you're taking me back.

I just dug up my Living Colour CDs the other day. Vernon Reid is the bomb. What happened to them?

Posted by: Robert at September 30, 2004 06:42 PM

Vernon did this and that. I hear he's got a new project or just did one. He's chillin' in New York.

Posted by: cobb at September 30, 2004 08:21 PM

When I found Fishbone as a college freshman (89) everything suddenly clicked. Yes, that rage and that groove and the aaaaaaaaahhhhhh that Angelo brought down on you. And I think the smooth was there too, but it was a certain kind of smooth that you could only get to through the mosh. The revelation to me about the band was that here was someone else listening to music from all over the place but they were going further becausse they were throwing it all into the Fishbone machine, mixing in a bit of social commentary and some existential angst and making something completely theirs.
I kept dying for them to break through. I think they were just too early to their own party. By the time the world caught up -I think the post-grunge sound of the mid-90's owed everything and it's left arm to Fishbone, though often done poorly - the band was fracturing (One guy got lured into a cult, then Norwood got arrested trying to kidnap him back etc.) and unable to seize their moment.

Posted by: hudsonhawk at October 1, 2004 07:11 AM

Jeff!
Damn man it's been a while. I must have seen Fishbone live 3 or 4 times. Once at Ackerman at UCLA, once at one of the almost greatest concerts of all time - the first Black Rock Coalition Concert (Fishbone, Public Enemy, Stetsasonic, Living Colour) at the Santa Monica Civic (where I got my reputation for moshing in a tie and jacket), and once or twice at Al's Bar in downtown LA. Oh yeah and they did come to CSUN near the beginning when they just had one album out somewhere around 84.

I remember Angelo from before the band days when he was a poplocker on Hollywood Blvd. He was always totally unleashed. My brother went to Audubon Jr High with some other band members.

Fishbone has always represented to me, all of the power and energy that lay under the surface. See, Angelo was from the Dons, which at the time was the single most affluent black neighborhood in the country, more recently surpassed by PG County in Maryland. He busted right through it all, completely uncompromised. So when they finally came with it all on the 'Monkey' album it was no surprise that they could articulate.

Nuttmeg is, I think, their greatest song in every way. They went out at the top.

Posted by: cobb at October 1, 2004 09:05 AM

You're committing heresy, bro :). Living Colour, not Fishbone, is **the** black rock & roll band. They had rock, they had soul, they highlighted black community life, and you can dance to their stuff.

Was never a Fishbone fan, although I though they had talent. I actually fell asleep - yes, I dozed off - at one of their concerts because they were too soft for me.

Posted by: molotov at October 1, 2004 11:07 AM

'These are the voices of modern industry...'

My exposure to Fishbone dates back to the mid-80s when I was an announcer at an 'alternative rock' station. (The time was just before alt-rock stations were co-opted by the likes of Clear Channel, et al..) I came across them by a fluke; I have always been heavily into P-Funk and somehow I caught them as an adjunct to a George Clinton performance. They had a rawness... an energy that you just couldn't hate on, even though their aesthetics could be found disorienting.

It used to slay me that Whiteys looked upon punk and metal from Black artists as somehow unauthentic, when almost every single one of their guitar God/icons cited Black blues artists like Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf as inspiration. If you've ever heard Clapton and others speak about Hendrix, you'd swear the brother turned water into wine. At another station I worked in the early 80s, I watched in amusement as White dudes hailed Prince's 'Little Red Corvette' as A Discovery, only for me to pop his bubble with Prince cuts from years earlier.

I agree with the other author on Living Colour. I'd pay to see them today. Fishbone is kind of a novelty by comparison. There was also a P-Funk offshoot called Xavion. I'd state Funkadelic is the mother (and mutha) of all these groups as their work transcends any kind of description you can conjure.

I have been back-cataloging Monk of late, but have owned the 'Straight No Chaser' tape for years. I don't even have an appropriate description for him. Recently, I caught the segment of Ken Burns' 'Jazz' that featured Monk, Miles Davis and Bird and sat absolutely slackjawed.

Posted by: MIB at October 1, 2004 01:21 PM

Wait a minute here. Y'all are both off the edge. Corey can't hold a candle to Angelo as a front man although he can sing better. Yes Vernon is bad on guitar but Fish rules drums.

Fishbone a novelty act? You've got to be completely unfamiliar with Chim Chim and half their work. I mean Living Colour recycled all their stuff after Stain for years, and some of their serious lyrics are just insipid. Now I give them credit for putting Doug Wimbish into the lineup, but they really fell off.

As for Fishbone being soft, you really got to be kidding me. Here are the lyrics to Riot, which is, as far as I know the only black group to record a song relating to the LA Riots other than Ice Cube.

When you ain't got shit
Make you want to loot shit !
When ya fuckin' fed up
Dam sure Gonna shoot shit !
Listen to the government
They don't know what to tell you
Listen to um white man
Your governments failing us !

Riot Riot

Yea we burn your fuckin' store up
At this point you know we don't give a fuck
What the hell you expect anyway
Treat your customer crazy
They gonna act crazy
Look at that shit smolder (X2)

Riot Riot

Posted by: Cobb at October 1, 2004 02:14 PM

Thanks for reminding me. Saw the 'Bone in Raleigh in like '85-86 with Flat Duo Jets opening. Slamming (wasn't moshing then) with my skinny silver lame' tie and other fashion errors. The ladies in the house were very friendly and liked to get on stage about halfway through.

"This is not a chawwade!"

Monk I discovered through Hal Willner--he did this tribute album on A&M ("That's The Way I Feel Now") that sold about six copes and was an outstanding intro. Shortly afterward saw "Straight No Chaser" on duty on the submarine and was hooked. Gooood stuff.

Posted by: Chap at October 3, 2004 07:12 AM

Aiight, I'm admitting my ignorance. What's a good Fishbone starter kit?

Posted by: Avery at October 5, 2004 11:00 AM

To this date, Fishbone is still alive and well. Though they have gone through a few lineup changes (but which band 20+ years old hasn't?), theyre still true to their spirit. Follow their recent activity on http://www.fishbonelive.org/

Good starter kit? their latest Sony best of (the essential Fishbone, on Columbia/Legacy) then, dig in the different albums. the post 95 albums certainly have a more heavy edge. Their latest album (Live at the Temple Bar and More) is a great effort, but suffers from poor production, for the unaware ear.

Posted by: Denis at October 23, 2004 12:20 PM